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« on: April 30, 2021, 01:27:17 PM »

I am baffled beyond belief.

I have been renting the same property for four years, rent always on time (£1700), house clean and tidy.
Myself, partner who just moved in last month and two teenagers.

Back note (I overheard neighbours saying, they wanted their brother in law to move into the road over the garden fence the other day)

My landlord has come for an inspection today. He walked straight in and accused me of subletting. Saying the neighbours (same ones) had seen people coming and going all times of day and night. I work in a special needs school so bar the pandemic, I would face insane disciplinary action at work if I had people over as the kids I work with could literally die if I passed anything onto them which I take very seriously.

He then walked round and saw two cobwebs and said 'if you weren't subletting you wouldn't have cobwebs'

Then into the laundry room he told me I shouldnt have any laundry needing to be done on the side.

I have four matresses in the garage where I replaced mine and kids beds, plus a mattress from where my partner moved in last month, no where does it say I am not allowed to use the garage space.


He then went to the kitchen and said there were too many condiments on the window sill. When I say I cleaned this house for his inspection, I booked the whole week off. I had the carpets cleaned yesterday out of good will and tying to be a good tenant. He didn't know this. He told me the carpets needed cleaning or he will hand me my notice.

Am I insane. What is going on here? I have emailed the estate agents explaining what has been said because its so illogical to me. Any views please, I've spent the morning in tears.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2021, 03:51:14 PM »

First,did you inform the landlord that  someone else was moving in? If not,you should have done so as he has the right to have checks run on an additional tenant if this is a permanent arrangement. This is just common courtesy and it may be the reason he got nasty. He has absolutely no right to comment on how you manage your laundry,your cooking ingredients or other matters relating to your personal  lifestyle. Even if you had not had the carpets cleaned,all that matters is that the place is left in the same state as when you moved in when you come to vacate.
I would write to the agents,and make it plain that you suspect he is trying to get you out to make room for a relative,and that you found his manner deeply offensive..He can serve notice (6 months at present) but he certainly should not behave in ways that could re regarded as harassment.Dry your eyes.You can't be put out onto the street .
   
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2021, 04:02:20 PM »

It may be good courtesy, but the tenant is under no obligation to inform the landlord that their partner is moving in. The landlord can certainly ask, but have no rights to demand checking the new tenant, other than possibly what's legally required under right to rent that the person has the right to be in the country. If there was already 3 people, an extra person who is a partner doesn't affect HMO status. So long as there's no overcrowding, there's literally nothing the landlord can do, they wouldn't even get possession on a discretionary ground for breach of contract even if they tried to have "no partner moving in" in the contract.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2021, 04:12:26 PM »

First,did you inform the landlord that  someone else was moving in? If not,you should have done so as he has the right to have checks run on an additional tenant if this is a permanent arrangement. This is just common courtesy and it may be the reason he got nasty. He has absolutely no right to comment on how you manage your laundry,your cooking ingredients or other matters relating to your personal  lifestyle. Even if you had not had the carpets cleaned,all that matters is that the place is left in the same state as when you moved in when you come to vacate.
I would write to the agents,and make it plain that you suspect he is trying to get you out to make room for a relative,and that you found his manner deeply offensive..He can serve notice (6 months at present) but he certainly should not behave in ways that could re regarded as harassment.Dry your eyes.You can't be put out onto the street .
   


Hiya. Yes we signed a new tenancy with him on last month!
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2021, 04:13:51 PM »

It may be good courtesy, but the tenant is under no obligation to inform the landlord that their partner is moving in. The landlord can certainly ask, but have no rights to demand checking the new tenant, other than possibly what's legally required under right to rent that the person has the right to be in the country. If there was already 3 people, an extra person who is a partner doesn't affect HMO status. So long as there's no overcrowding, there's literally nothing the landlord can do, they wouldn't even get possession on a discretionary ground for breach of contract even if they tried to have "no partner moving in" in the contract.

He was put on the tenancy last month by the landlord!
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2021, 06:25:35 PM »

This makes the accusations of sub-letting even more bizarre.He can still serve 21 notice on you,but he would be mad to do so.A longterm tenant who pays their rent on time is like gold dust. I would certainly write expressing your annoyance,and I would also visit/write to the neighbour asking them why they have tried to stir trouble for you, and copy in the agent/landlord. I would be spitting feathers in your position! Don't get loud and angry,but don't take this lying down. Would I be right in thinking there is some history with these neighbours?
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2021, 06:28:50 PM »

This makes the accusations of sub-letting even more bizarre.He can still serve 21 notice on you,but he would be mad to do so.A longterm tenant who pays their rent on time is like gold dust. I would certainly write expressing your annoyance,and I would also visit/write to the neighbour asking them why they have tried to stir trouble for you, and copy in the agent/landlord. I would be spitting feathers in your position! Don't get loud and angry,but don't take this lying down. Would I be right in thinking there is some history with these neighbours?

No history. All we can think is as they are friends they have offered him money more than we are paying and want to try and concoct something to get us out. Thing is I'm a massive introvert and don't have any one round hardly ever especially during the pandemic and also in bed by 10pm every night lol.
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« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2021, 09:49:18 AM »

I've always mused about Inspections... like, what they're really for. A Landlord can want to try and protect their investment, of course... and maybe an Inspection can be useful for them in identifying any issues with the property they may need to address... maybe catching a small drip before it becomes a leak... but there is a much more fundamental premise with a Tenancy that everyone accepts (except tricky Landlords and Agents or gullible and ignorant Tenants) and that is the fact you have the right to live like you want, and the right to "quiet enjoyment" in your home that you have"exclusive possession" of. That's what you're paying rent for.

All you are required to do is return the property at the end of the Tenancy in the same state it was at the beginning, minus fair wear and tear. So the Landlord cannot dictate (should not even be in a position to comment on) the amount or location of your condiments. So the Landlord cannot even suggest you should clean the carpets mid-Tenancy. So the Landlord isn't allowed to make comments about your laundry... because this is all about how you choose to live your life and you have that right to "quiet enjoyment".

Now... one thing said by the OP worried me, and it may indicate a problem that makes the Landlord seem a little more reasonable on the face of it... not correct, but maybe more reasonable... the OP said a week off work was taken to prepare for the Inspection... no-one living a life anywhere close to normality would ever need to do that concentrated blitz.

It doesn't override the rights of the Tenant. Anyway, as the OP indicates a new Tenancy was signed last month, surely there's a newly established fixed term? Even if notice is given, it'll be months and months and months.
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« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2021, 10:19:07 AM »

Yes,I did wonder about a week of cleaning.If a place is basically clean and tidy it should not need any huge efforts to prepare for an inspection.If he had been told it was in a right mess he may have been worried.Obviously he does not have the right to lecture a tenant in such a rude and personal way though. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2021, 10:34:27 AM »

I've always mused about Inspections... like, what they're really for. A Landlord can want to try and protect their investment, of course... and maybe an Inspection can be useful for them in identifying any issues with the property they may need to address... maybe catching a small drip before it becomes a leak... but there is a much more fundamental premise with a Tenancy that everyone accepts (except tricky Landlords and Agents or gullible and ignorant Tenants) and that is the fact you have the right to live like you want, and the right to "quiet enjoyment" in your home that you have"exclusive possession" of. That's what you're paying rent for.

All you are required to do is return the property at the end of the Tenancy in the same state it was at the beginning, minus fair wear and tear. So the Landlord cannot dictate (should not even be in a position to comment on) the amount or location of your condiments. So the Landlord cannot even suggest you should clean the carpets mid-Tenancy. So the Landlord isn't allowed to make comments about your laundry... because this is all about how you choose to live your life and you have that right to "quiet enjoyment".

Now... one thing said by the OP worried me, and it may indicate a problem that makes the Landlord seem a little more reasonable on the face of it... not correct, but maybe more reasonable... the OP said a week off work was taken to prepare for the Inspection... no-one living a life anywhere close to normality would ever need to do that concentrated blitz.

It doesn't override the rights of the Tenant. Anyway, as the OP indicates a new Tenancy was signed last month, surely there's a newly established fixed term? Even if notice is given, it'll be months and months and months.

I took the week off because I'm insane. We have a huge three bed detached house. I mean I scrubbed all inside cupboards out, rearranged furniture to make sure it looked perfect lol
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2021, 09:49:18 AM »

Ah,I can understand that. I wash my hair before I go to the hairdresser.
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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2021, 12:27:49 PM »

I would email the landlord and say your find his comments over cobwebs and the rest upsetting and nothing he needs to comment on.
Ask him to advise you in writing of any legal wrongs he found with the property on his inspection and point to the clauses in the tenancy agreement he thinks you have not complied with.
Also advise you found his presence to be traumatic and this you will require a chaperone in future if he wishes to inspect and comments to be kept to legal requirements  not his personal unfounded issues.
Doing nothing will allow him to continue in this weird action which is totally illegal.
He can only comment on clauses in the tenancy agreement that the inspection showed problems with not the issues you have already stated.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2021, 08:40:04 AM »

Oh the joys of a clean tenant, mustn’t grumble as my ex-tenant was a clean freak house was spotless when they left, even managed to scrub the heating control & temperature decals off the 2 year old oven 😂 cost me a few hundred for a new one for the next tenant, undercooked overcooked cooking’s a science not guess work my wife said.
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