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Any advice please, greatly appreciatted.

This is my first tenant, after 16 months just served him with a Section 21, tenant became very verbally abusive, not letting me inspect in a few of the rooms of the house I rent to him.
I did see at least two of the bedrooms (it's a four bed) has a bed in each. (Taking a  photo) and kind of caught a glimpse of another bedroom, (door slightly open) tenant said he was in this bed?!?
I had my suspicions and requested I needed to be the other bedrooms to check on its condition smoke alarms etc, But the tenant shouting and verbally abusive to myself and also to my husband, no other option than to serve him with a notice to quit.

I've since been told tonight, friend of a friend but doesn't want to get involved, that the tenant actually rents out to 4 males!!!
This infuriates me to think the tenant I thought I had actually rents my property out to these men! Not even living in the house...
I've got no definite prof of any payment crossing anyone's palms but I've been told by a very good source.

I've gone the right route and issued him a S21, with Xmas only weeks away I don't  want these people out of a home but it's disgraceful that this tenant will be making money from my property.

Is there anything I can do after the two months regarding this tenant? , can I sue him for sub letting?, or is it I go for it now regarding eviction?
Many thanks in advance

Can you sue him for sub-letting? No.

A complete ban on sub-letting, and assignment, was actually considered to be an unfair term and condition by the old OFT. Proceed with the Section 21.

Many Thanks Hippogriff.
I've surely learning the hard way!
This tenant is apparently going around bragging about this situation! How much money he's making etc... 'Fuming...

Why are you fuming?

You've set a rent and if all goes well you get paid that rent. If you want more rent, by letting to numerous individuals, you can do that yourself. You may well decide to. But why does someone else making money cause you to fume? Maybe you are too close, emotionally, to the situation. It's just a business. It's perfectly fine if you're annoyed because of damage caused or increased wear-and-tear, but your text doesn't imply that at all. It implies that you're a bit peeved 'cos someone is making money and you're not.

What people brag about is rarely the truth, in my experience.

It's perfectly fine to fume, if that's what you want to do... but your efforts are best expended elsewhere, I'm sure - they always are. Get shot and start again, this time with more shrewdness.

Hi Hippogriff,

I was fuming because I've been so stupid...
I probably are emotional tied to this property as it was my first property were I lived in with my family for over 17years! It was a lovely family home.
I've let my property out to this tenant for him to live there, for him to look after it not for him then to go on to move out and to rent it out to 4 other people.... People I don't not know about, can be anyone, I be been told there not good at all, there's some damage I've been told to expect  with also.. They all smoke and the entire house is discoloured because of this.. Least of my problems apparently..
If I wanted four people there than I would have asked for four peopl there. Yes The money is also a problem because he's gaining at my expense..
He's collecting more than I'm actually charging him.
Theres been several months he's been behind with he's rent, we've worked with him to overcome this, all the excuses we've heard from him when in fact this money was not he's and actually been spending other people's money.

I've actually calmed myself down since writing the earlier message.
Just want him out now and then to move on and learn from this.

Many Thanks for your advice.

Well, of course he's collecting more than you're actually charging him. He'd be a complete idiot if that wasn't the case. That's usually the idea behind sub-letting of this nature.

Being emotionally attached to a property you're letting out is a bad idea. It's just behind letting to family and friends in terms of the worst ideas.

Business.

Hippogriff is right.In an ideal world we would all be very zen,and rise above it.I have never let a property that has been my home,I could not deal with the emotional spin that would put on things.We are also humans,not just landlords.I have been made quite ill over the years by the shenanigans of some tenants,and I am still finding it hard to detach.I came onto this forum first time to have a rant,and got a flea in my ear! So,you have my sympathy,and I am sending you a big hug! Will someone pass the sickbag to Hippogriff please.

Hi Heavykarma,

Thank you, it's very much appreciated.

I started with this property because I was was getting married moving out into a bigger family home and thought what best than to let this to someone/family that will get the same happiness a as did. Plus I would be getting an income. There happy and I'm happy too... My thoughts anyway....

I have greatly learned from this experience, there was things I didn't do at the beginning ( I was getting married and also moving home within the same week!) caring for my special needs daughter, a stressful situation to begin with plus my mind on all these things as you can imagine.

This tenant found out through a friend I was in the near future after I return from my honeymoon, wanting to start the procedure to find tenant and rent my property. It turned out this tenant was at my door almost everyday, if he wasn't knocking he was walking by...
He also had he's sister to call me, explaining how he's relationship had broken door and he's ex and children would be so close to him the children wouldn't miss out, also the fact he's home at present was like a show room. This changed my mind, and decided I would get this sorted before my wedding. The following day this guy called again knocking, he had explained to me why he needed my property so bad,  I agreed I would get all the papers contract etc together within the week and give him a date for him to move in.

I've greatly learned from this experience.
The information and advice I've received and read  from this blog has been a god send!!

I've learnt so much and I'm still learning,
Its always good to hear from people that have been in the same situation,  got horrible tenants out of  their property have now got decent tenants in that are respecting their property. & Life is much less stressful

Hippogriff is right it is a Buisness and I need to look at it as that, but I'm a caring person too that's been taking in with someone's sob story only to be dropped at a high heights. This is what infuriated me.
This hasn't stopped me from buying another property, to rent out, I've got no ties with this house, and it's right I don't  have any emotions towards it, a totally different experience. It already has sitting tenants  in that's been there for the last 7 years, and a lovely home tthey keep too.

Here's to the future... wiser and tougher 😃

Quote from: heavykarma on October 25, 2016, 08:48:21 AMWill someone pass the sickbag to Hippogriff please.

I don't mind... but we're giving good robust advice to a newbie, allowing them - hopefully - to shortcut or completely circumvent some mistakes. The benefit of the forum.

Thanks all, I do appreciate everyone's advice 👍